oregon and washington d.c. here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture you polls show what americans really think about the ongoing debt limit negotiations on capitol hill so will republicans listen to the people or will they press on with their radical economy trash an agenda. gay has officially crossed the international time zones into the u.s. used as a mid to hacking an american company prox news be the next to crack. you

need to know this the american people have spoken and it's time republicans and democrats listen according to a new a.b.c. washington post poll sixty two percent of americans want to see a balanced approach to raising the debt limit that includes both spending cuts and revenue increases and when it comes to what sort of revenue raisers the american people want to see republicans heads are about to explode a lobbying seventy two percent of americans support raising taxes on people who make more than a quarter million dollars a year only twenty seven percent oppose not only that large majorities of americans also support raising the social security tax gap closing the hedge fund manager tax loophole and cutting off taxpayer subsidies for big oil corporations curiously none of these reforms are part of the game. young as six deal is now all the rage on

capitol hill but a new gallup poll renders what's going on top capitol hill today completely meaningless according to gallup most of us frankly don't give a damn about the debt but as with the most important problems facing this country today are a plurality of americans thirty one percent said the economy in general coming in second it's the job stupid twenty seven percent of americans want lawmakers to be focused on unemployment and jobs far fewer only sixteen percent of americans think our debt is a big pro so why is in congress doing what americans want them to do and that's just raise the debt ceiling already and get back to work creating jobs and when it comes to creating jobs and we once and for all agree that the real job creators are not the millionaires and billionaires who are sitting on to really an dollars in corporate cash and not creating a single job but instead the real job creators are working americans who spend money and create demand here to answer that question is joshua holland editor and

senior writer at alter net and author of the book the fifteen biggest lies about the economy and everything else the right doesn't want you to know about taxes jobs and corporate america joshua welcome. john thanks for having me great to have you back with us with the gang of six plan create jobs in america and and can you give just a give us just a general overview of what the details are of this so car plan. well the gang of six plan this is a reiteration of simpson bowles it's a grand bargain that went intel deep cuts and then today there is news of centrally new deal that would also intel future potential revenue raising so what we're seeing is that you know they're going around in circles kind of pushing these these deals out there's a lot of leaks but the real substance here is that you have a house g.o.p. years who are really you know they've drawn a hard line in the sand and they're not going to support

a debt limit rise that has any tax revenue increases whatsoever that's what they have been saying and i don't know if speaker boehner can actually make a deal. you know speaking for his own caucus at this point. seems like it's the irresistible force in the world in movable object taxes taxes for the rich have never been lower in fifteen years regulations have ever been a scarce and corporations are sitting on two trillion dollars worth of cash isn't this an ideal job creation climate for republicans and why aren't they careen jobs who are the real job creators well i think that you really touched on this in your introduction corporate america is sitting on trillions of dollars of cash what they don't have is customers so you know we have an economy based on consumer spending demand is down and what the research shows is that if you give people who are very wealthy more after tax income they bank it if you give it to people who are working

people they spend it and that stimulates the economy so when it comes down to it this whole myth of their wealthy job creators that gets it exactly ron the real job creators are you and i only go out and spend money and when we don't have money in our wallets to spend we see the kind of lingering jobless recovery. what we're seeing right now you have an article on alter net titled why the wealthiest americans are the real job killers and you refine the. well so we know that the wealthy spend a smaller share of their income then then the rest of us and if you look back in one nine hundred seventy eight seventy nine the top one percent took in nine percent of the nation's income in two thousand and seven before the crash that was down that was up to twenty three and a half percent of the nation's income and if you take the top slice of the economic pile off what you see is that we basically had stagnating wages for thirty years

before the crash it and when the crash hit we were there for much less prepared to weather the storm we had put away a rainy day fund and when we lost fourteen trillion dollars in wealth and housing wealth and stock wealth retirement wealth that depressed spending so we have a very very slack demand in the economy and companies won't hire if they don't have demand for their goods and services today grover norquist suggested that any tax cuts doesn't necessarily mean raising taxes and thus doesn't violate the pledge most republicans signed and then right after that news came out he was speaker boehner and president deals that they were close to a deal and then norquist comes out and says no no i didn't mean it all of a sudden boehner says no deal so is grover norquist the man behind the curtain for the republicans and is gauche well he certainly has an enormous amount of influence

we saw a couple of months back a little bit of pushback from senate republicans against norquist no tax very ever under any circumstances pledge you know with this whole well being the job creators i mean i think we have to understand that that's not an economic argument it's a political argument designed to get the. the polling data that you presented in your opening you know they can't just say that they have those tax increases for the wealthiest americans and even closing loopholes on corporate jets and as the obama administration likes to talk about they have to say that this will come with dire unanticipated consequences and that's what this this narrative this talking point is really about after world war two our debt was as i recall it one hundred twenty six percent of g.d.p. it was substantially higher than it is today relative g.d.p. and yet we spend our way out of that i mean white eisenhower in large part the national highway system hospitals schools you know just went on

a building binge and it created jobs which created a tax base what's different about today that we're not doing. what we're doing is we're actually inaction contractionary policies in the middle of a very severe economic downturn i mean getting back to this fundamental issue of people not having enough money in their pockets to spend all of this discussion that we're having right now about deficit reduction as only one primary effect and that is to take dollars out of people's lives as i've pointed out in the piece right now because of the depths of the economic crisis about twenty percent of the of the dollars in in americans while this last year came from one government program or another and you know we're we're talking about removing money from consumers right when they need to be spending it most very well so joshua thanks so much for being with islam. thanks for having me. so if his gang of six

deal is really just a lump of coal for the middle class and why is it that president obama's throwing his weight behind in fact just today news is breaking the president speaker of the house john boehner might be reaching a similar deal screws working americans cripples our economy and his millionaires and billionaires another massive tax cut now that it's crystal clear the republicans what they're up to and that's crashing the economy by the way before the twenty to make president obama look bad but i guess the president going along with this ferry is some may call reason is here to weigh in on the issue cliff schecter national progress p.r. strategist president of liberty l.l.c. as well as the author of the book the real mccain perth welcome thanks so much tom good to be here great to thank you great to have you with us we're less than two weeks from default here publicans have basically sabotaged this process every step of the way and something like this ever happened to this degree in american history

certainly not that i'm aware of a short and civil war it was that it's a good point but not on something so unbelievably silly as this i mean it's not that we didn't have major issues in the past i mean obviously slavery was something that this country had not come to grips with over you know its founding and beyond but when you look at the situation right now it's very you know as you know the raising the debt ceiling wasn't even an issue until woodrow wilson's time this is something that. really is a mirage and it should happen it should happen automatically and in the end it has in the past and yet the republicans now the tea party guys on the right want to play politics with the whole thing and they and to them you know they've got this obsessed version of the government to spend any money on anything which is current i guess you and i could have driven on those nice roads over here we have nothing and then of course sadly president obama seems like the more business more of the republicans that want to have a debt ceiling a clean debt ceiling vote like mitch mcconnell seems like the president is and. has

his heart set right now including social security so i mean i don't i'm not even sure where to line up here it reminds me of the truman quote that when american voters are presented with a choice between a democrat who behaves like a republican or a real republican will choose to go over going every time every time i consider you an article out of alter net today titled something like republicans are republicans committing treason along those lines yeah i asked him if i was yes all dare call trees that is what it was all this john stormers iconic one thousand i do my best to be ripped off other people from i mean that's actually i mean if you ever read it. are they committing treason i think in certain ways they are i mean look at the point i was making was and i said it is not not everybody you're a republican so you're committing treason every republican is treasonous i said many of the actions recently the republicans first and foremost used to be patriots to which they clearly were put in quotes of the country came first well the obama

came into office it made it pretty clear that undermining obama they want to give him his waterloo mitch mcconnell's top priority was the b.v.m. that was more important he is the president of our country that is hurting our country in numerous ways that i lot about in the article i mean we watch as they refuse to do any infrastructure spending and wash our infrastructure fall apart we know building new infrastructure will will create jobs it won't do this and we watch is basically as i said the article they paved the way for chinese exceptionalism we watch trying to build these bridges that break the records you had a whole segment on the american way and how we've moved against it so i mean i think some of it today clearly through the bay bridge in san francisco really build our bridges to i mean we used to protect manufacturing is going to realize how important it was to build things not to just give create things that you know you could ask do you want apple pie with that and you had a great segment on that on the american way but you know it even goes beyond it's the militia mentality that's pushed forth by the n.r.a. that calls you know government officials jack booted thugs and makes the of government the enemy obama is the enemy the government is the enemy you know on

a new response and i think that's damaging the country and yes i do think that the extremes of this behavior you know the question that it never gets asked is if the government is the enemy who's the front. so great question who's a friend of those guys well i mean you know it's seems there are very what they're saying basically is ok if you don't want the government to provide your health insurance then you're going to have to go to a big corporation and there are friends and their friends seem to be some some idol they all have in their bedrooms maybe a poster above their bed of and ran that they all city worship i mean i don't know i don't know who their friend is but that we don't look at you know we did big things in this country you broke the federal highway act you know i mean isn't. it crazy isn't it i mean you know the hoover dam i mean we built things we sent people to space which now we can't do anymore we realized that you sometimes there's this thing called economic development government invests and when you government invest it creates jobs we did this obviously f.d.r. did this and you know it goes on and on i also made sure to talk about in the article that you know this because this really bothers me i'm an american i'm proud

of being an american and i love my country why would you sit there and cut the very very funds that would provide your country people to be educated could be to have health care if you like seeing word world health organization rankings that have a set thirty seven if you like having education ratings that puts like two spots at a cuba i mean at what point can you sit there and say i'm a patriot of this country and yet we're ranking in the bottom of all these indicators and i would think that that's painful to me isn't it painful to those who clearly claim to care about this country one would hope so far in congress the republicans have not passed a single jobs bill they've repealed would not replace the affordable care act obamacare they've defunded n.p.r. the defunded planned parenthood or as the great evil as we all know you want to do something they've defunded public financing of elections. why is more criticism being leveled at them for this or is it is it just the show i don't i think it's the it's the you know the polarization out there and the partisan nature of them

because people like yourself and myself and many others who criticize them put it you know years ago it took margaret chase smith at one point to stand up and criticize mccarthy you know there were republicans. good conscience in the past that stood up to their own party and said this is insane as there were democrats who disappeared segregationist democrats now it seems like everything is sort of split along is. this polarization i mean as i also bring up in the article you know how can we sit here and listen to someone like pat robertson call for asylum like destruction of this country which he did because of gay marriage passed in new york and that's not treason i don't know what is how can rick perry call for secession and be taken seriously as a presidential candidate i mean it's up to all of us and we need republicans on there too to stand up and condemn this behavior and say that this is the this is not the america they grew up in i hope so the america i want my children my children to grow up in i mean we may have differences but we get to the point secession destruction i mean you're pushing for economic destruction and saying we shouldn't raise the debt ceiling just what i mean how you know how is it good for

the country you live in well so thank you very much exhibition. is there a lot of debate is a defining moment for the united states either we take the same road to ruin paved by we reaganomics that america has been suffering on for the last thirty years or we try something else something is worked like for example left here as a new deal that created by broke middle class and turn our nation into an economic superpower that's the choice and president obama promised change and so he starts acting like a republican delivers on his problems. are rupert murdoch's news corp hacking tactics connected to the two thousand and nine climate scientists e-mails.

hey tom are in here broadcasting live from washington d.c. coming up today on the big picture. well it's official rupert murdoch's news corp abroad hits illegal how can operation cross the atlantic into the united states bloomberg news is reporting that back in

two thousand and nine news corp admitted during the trial that it did indeed add into the secure web site of an american marketing rival eleven different occasions news corp subsidiary news america marketing broke into the website belonging to floor graphics incorporated and stole their client lists the case was later dismissed after news corp agreed to hand over twenty nine point five million as part of a subtle and so now that we know hacking was rampant at news corp in the u.k. and it also took place here in the united states is it really that far fetched believe fox news was the same ones. i think it's not and now some people are beginning to connect the dots between news corp news and another hack job the climate gate scandal of two thousand and nine if you remember just before the un's copenhagen climate summit in december of two thousand and nine the secured servers along the climate research unit at the university of east anglia in the u.k. were hacked into and thousands of emails between climate scientists were stolen we

now know that around the same time where this police were investigating this hack job they were also getting paid off by news corp to cover up other hacking crimes by rupert murdoch's news of the world we also know that rupert murdoch's fox news went crazy with the stolen emails and devoted months and months of coverage to hype them up as evidence that global warming is a hoax even though none of the stolen emails actually pointed to that conclusion and in fact they confirmed that global warming is real and has made many many so is this just a coincidence was fox news news corp behind the climate gate acting scandal two and if so what should be the consequences here to offer his take on this is david sullivan conservative commentator and pro-business that good david welcome. thanks for having me tom it's a pleasure if murdoch gate and climate gate are partners in crime then isn't it time that we break up the media monopolies and admit that they have too much power . well that's

a tremendous if tom and i would also like to say to your viewing audience first of all i disagree that when you say those e-mails disprove the position that fox was reporting to me it doesn't matter where the news comes as long as it's true and i think they pulled back the curtain and really disclosed a lot of this bad science that's being bandied about and the pundits of the global warming and such they're really been bilking the american taxpayer and if they can't defend it on the merits they can't defend it on the facts apparently they'll take this broad brush and try to say it's the fruit of the poisonous tree and try to schmear fox it's just not right david is as an american who probably watches fox news i'm guessing that you missed that when the news of the world first. exposed these hacked e-mails and heavily edited them and ran a whole bunch of pieces are actually the times of london fact the was doing it and

then later they published an apology actually two of them and scientists were actually vindicated and the murdoch owned london times of london ran apologies for what they said said in fact you know none of what we said was true there was no evidence that these guys were covering up or anything or bilking anybody but fox never ran that story they ran to the best of my knowledge they ran the story of oh there's something there but then when there was no one to be nothing there and in fact the original source in the u.k. even the murdoch own published an apology the fox news you know i'm guessing as a proxy of your and you probably don't know that isn't that a journalistic crime compound in an actual crime. you know i don't know if there's such thing in this case as a journalist that crime i try to watch a lot of different forums i find fox is pretty fair and balanced i know that will certainly get the ire of a lot of your audience but to say they issued an apology i think that's that's only

a half truth sort of like being out there not issue these knowledge there it's the times of london did it it was explicit in the right on two different occasions. that i understand i don't think it really discredits the position that fox took and i think there is a lot of false hoods in the arguments in the global warming and it has been a very lucrative business the american taxpayer by the way is subsidizing a lot of that business and it's not right in the name we could weigh corporation that's making a profit off. warm. no i can because that's what he's appealing on those are the corporations that are making that are making a profit creating global warming like all the oil companies all the coal companies all the natural gas companies all the i mean is there's a long long list and they're funding

a lot of the climate denials but isn't fox so-called news in some ways responsible for all the fires droughts and one hundred sixty degree weather of washington d.c. today because we should have been listening to all those scientists instead of the facts of course you know categorically. to say pox so-called theirs is just a cheap stunt it makes me have to say to you it's not if you dismiss it as pop into it's not news what's really behind it is wise use its opinion they should call it a pig i have no problem you know as if he doesn't have news in their name. fox says it's but anyway if i so called use how about why don't we just close them down and use all their profits to help anyone hurt by the their stories that like these climate let me right there dying right now call their property string to your bolshevik buddies that's out of the question we're not going to do now that i voted you out on this is probably the evil who are being injured by global warming you've

got people dying right you know they'd be well let's begin with the famine in sudan you've got a half a million people who are at risk for starvation tens of thousands of already died you've got a half a country that's moving into northern kenya there this is an absolute disaster and i'm sorry you're blaming the oil companies for yes what do we have land use for a problem for we are the only country in the developed world david that has any debate about whether there's a debate about global climate change all the other countries are actually doing goes really acting responsibly you may have some european countries melting off but there are much more there are tremendous offenders and you have certainly china is not particularly good with the environment is the fastest growing solar systems in the. world or in china china is moving toward toward increased energy efficiency far more rapidly and radically than the united are you trying to tell me that if i go downtown beijing i am going to be taken up with a beautiful environment the clean air and everything else that flows from or maybe

the water is clean is that what you're saying i'm saying that if you go to china you will be astounded by the fact that in three years they built from scratch a high speed rail system that is the equivalent of from chicago to new york and right now it's running at over two hundred miles an hour yeah and it's highly efficient to transport people without producing a fraction of the carbon here and there they're moving ahead they are the largest producer of solar panels in the world denmark is producing windmills and a lot of countries are doing a lot of good stuff shouldn't we be. we already are i would say were heads and tails above any of the countries that you have mentions heads and tails tom you know it's very easy to bad mouth this country and hold up these other paradigms unfortunately the facts don't support the position ok well we'll leave it at that i guess you know it's a battle of your facts vs my facts and. or maybe opinions david thank you.

thank you thank you for having me sure there is still a lot of questions left unanswered in the murdoch gate hacking scandal but with the f.b.i. finally on the case let's hope we get some answers and find out once and for all fox news or other affiliates of mr murdoch are committing crimes to be thought beyond the obvious one of which are in the news. it's time for a daily poll your chance to tell us what you think here's today's question if news corp's acking is responsible for climategate is the time for media conglomerates to be broken up your chances are your choices are yes big media have become drunk with power or no whatever you have to do to get a story is. going to town are going to let us know what you think the polls open until tomorrow. crazy alert the savior of journalism so with american investigative journalism

dying out in fox news infotainment surgeon or hope is there for our fourth estate in america well the answer sarah pailin it's times like this i wish we had a laugh track and show it a recent interview paling weighed in on the state of our news media and offered up her expertise. please me and i've said this for a couple years now i want to help. i have a journalism degree that is what i study i understand that this cornerstone of our democracy is a free press this is. sound journalism i want to help them build back their reputation and allow americans to be able to trust what it is that they are reporting on clear of a reality t.v. show in which pale and smashes fish heads in alaska is her unique brand of journalism but i'll give her the benefit of the doubt after all she must know her stuff since she told jay katie couric a few years back that she reads every single newspaper on the planet please he's

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